505>How can everyone out their moan and groan about england banning smoking in public places. The difference it has made to scotland is immense. Stop going on about your human rights etc and go visit a cancer ward in your local hospital. There are innocent barstaff getting passive smoking because smoking is still allowed in pubs etc. People keep saying well they should work somewhere else, why should they? They need a job too.
I am not anti smoking - I am a smoker myself and the fact that the smoking ban in glasgow happened well I moaned about it before it happened then realised, actually its great, I dont smoke half of what I used to and I enjoy having fun in a club which is smoke free and coming home with my clothes still smelling fresh and my hair clean.
All of you against this should shutup and realise the facts that are all against you.
Reply:My sister owns a pub near Glasgow and another sister manages it. Both work between 35 and 50 hours a week.
Before the smoking ban they had numerous colds, sore throats, chesty coughs and felt lethargic - neither smoked, but a lot of the customers did.
Since the ban both are far healthier and staff sick days on the whole have gone down. My sister can also take her toddler to work with her knowing it is in a safe, clean and smoke free environment (licensee's children are allowed in the pub) so she gets to spend quality time as a parent as well as an employer. She could never have one this before the ban.
Many people argue alcohol is just as bad as cigarettes, but one person having one pint effects no one bar themselves. One person having one cigarette affects everyone in the room.
As for the comment of if people work in a bar they should live with the smoke. Why should someone who has gone to university or college and put thousands of pounds out to start a business get ill because of other people.
You can choose to be zoo keeper, but you don't go into the job expecting to get eaten. So why should you die of cancer because you chose to run a pub?
The ban will only make things better for the staff in England.
Reply:To the asker, other peoples lives are not yours to save. You have convinced me more than ever that it is mainly nannying women that are behind this intolerant ban in all pubs. Some people would ban alcohol, what then? Passive smoking/cancer, massively exaggerated. Report It
Reply:Here here!!
Reply:Hear, hear!
Reply:What provoked this little rant?
I agree though, Edinburghs bars are much better now that I can breath whilst having a drink.
Reply:Good god, whose rattled your cage!
Reply:I'm not against anything. But I believe the reason for people getting upset is called "Freedom". When it is public or in your own home, it shouldn't be banned. Okay so it worked for you. Maybe some people don't want to quit. There are laws for our good, but then there's going too far. Everyone has their vices, let them have it.
Reply:im a smoker and I totaly agree with you,good for you,
Reply:Annie, you mention 'freedom' but what the hell, yeah freedom for the smokers who are blissfully unaware that they are putting lives at risk besides their own. What about freedom for healthy non smokers? I think that takes priority dont you? Public smokers are extremely selfish.
Reply:Sorry, but your logic is perverse. Whilst I agree with the smoking ban for most areas, I still think that public houses, assuming the owner wishes it so, should be allowed to continue with smoking.
I truly believe that the effects of so called, passive smoking, have been deliberately and grossly exaggerated in order to strengthen the case for a smoking ban. Lets be very clear about one thing, Pubs. don't exist for the benefit of their staff, they are there, like any business, to serve the needs of their customers, where, in a pub environment, many would choose to smoke as they have always done.
I think that the anti smoking lobby have taken their agenda quite far enough. Banning it in ALL pubs. smacks of intolerance and vindictiveness. True to form for this nannying government though.
I am amazed that you have switched to supporting a ban in pubs, for the most selfish of reasons, that is, that it helps you personally to cut down. So, all pub going smokers have to suffer because you want to cut down. Incredible. I hope that you don't drink too much alcohol, because believe me, this Government are quite capable of rationing the amount of alcohol you receive in order to cut down on drunkenness. You also may not be allowed in a restaurant if you weigh too much for the health commissars.
I can't understand why you Scots. are concerning yourself with the health of the English anyway? Could it be that you are secretly annoyed by the ban, and are trying to make a virtue out of a necessity? You also have chosen to speak for the whole of Scotland, I am sure though that a lot of pub goers will not agree with your self serving intolerance. Why didn't you have the willpower to stop smoking without demanding that everyone else stops as well?
If you want to look at it from a financial point of view, smokers pay a fortune in extra tax, and following your logic, they will not live as long, so the pension schemes, and other state handouts will be saved a considerable amount of money. You can only die once, and you have to die of something. Following your logic, you would want the government to ban smoking in the home so that you could cut down even more. It presumably wouldn't bother you that everyone else had to join you.
I don't know what sex you are, but you sound like a nannying old women and a killjoy. Pubs would have closed years ago if it wasn't for drinkers and smokers. Cut them some slack. Incidentally, a lot of bar staff find the ban a damn nuisance, because they smoke as well. It goes with the territory.
Having read the other answers, I would rather have a drink with 'Annie' and 'Sparky' than the other self righteous lot.
I nearly forgot too mention, I am a non smoker, not an anti-smoker.
Reply:I live in Canada, Ontario where smoking has been banned in all bars, clubs, restaurants etc. As soon as the ban was implemented EVERY bar, etc. lost revenue and in a lot of cases actually closed down. There were three places that I used to go quite frequently (every week)- Two of those places have shut down due to loss of revenue and I seldomly go to the other (especially in the winter. It's DAMN COLD.)
Most of us smokers here agree that it should be OWNERS perogative, NOT the government who makes this decision for you. We have had plenty of non smoking places her that have done just fine and have not sufferred this ban the way the others have. Now that they're all non smoking though, most of us would just as soon stock up and have the friends over at home.
Warmer, cheaper and without the government making YOUR business THEIR business every freakin two seconds.
In a free enterprise market, there is no reasoning to the act of ignoring consumer demand. There is demand for both smoking and non smoking establishments.
And, as with many other jobs, there are aspects to working in a smoking environment that may not be someone's cup of tea. Well, I can't stand the smell of crap, so I don't apply at the septic plant.
Last I checked, we all pay the same tax man, so we should all have the same benefit of freedom of choice.
Reply:This passive smoking hype is a load of bull. Governments are not really interested whether smoking is harmful, they just want to control our lives. If governments were so concerned about health why is no action taken on exhaust fumes from cars and lorries, junk food, alcohol, sport, etc. All of these are just as harmful as smoking.
Reply:Some people are addicted to smoking %26amp; cannot stop.
I would love to stop but the poisons that the manufacturers put in the cigarettes make us want to continue.
Smoking does damage health so why is the government allowing manufacturers to produce them.
To turn to your question I would like to ask why should anyone impose anything on other peoples human rights.
There could be non smoking bars %26amp; smoking bars. You are not telling me that all bar staff are non smokers. Furthermore smoking bars could be ventilated %26amp; air conditioned properly rather than make smokers that cannot stop, outcast citizens.
This Government could look at the recent UNICEF report on child POVERTY %26amp; get us off the bottom of the world list.
I can see that you like a good argument
Reply:Couldn't agree more, the smoking ban comes in here in the north of ireland in april and i cant wait, i despise coming home from the pub stinkin of other peoples foul habits, it sickens me, at least i can go out now and not come home feeling like i have just smoked 100 fags, I booked my wedding for when after the smoking ban comes into force so that ignorant smokers dont ruin my day by choking the children and making my dress smell, I just wish the ban had of happened sooner
Reply:It is so refreshing to hear a smoker express this point of view - thankyou!
Reply:For one, I do not believe you are a smoker. I think you are just saying that in order to bring some bogus legitimacy to your point of view; but to answer your question, the reason people are opposed to the governments of the world micromanaging people's lives is because they do not want to see totalitarianism spring up, in what is referred to as the free world.
As for workers in smoke filled rooms, if the workers do not like it they can get a job some where else; if a pub owner can not get anyone to work in their pub, because of the smoke, the owner can ban smoking in his own pub. I hope you start to love and appreciate you freedom before you lose it.
Reply:Yes smokers have your human right to smoke in public places and to give yourself cancer and the other diseases associated with smoking. As long as your human right does not infringe my human right to not inhale your smoke and also suffer because of it, cancer etc.
Many pubs cling to the point that if they banned smoking now before the July 1st deadline they would lose business. Two pubs near to me banned smoking totally over a year ago. Do you know what? Those pubs and their restaurants are packed every night including Mondays and for the food it is necessary to book 2 weeks ahead. The only business pubs etc will lose is the regular 1 or 2 drinks a time person that sits all evening and smoke a 10 cigarettes. The real money and profit will come from the liberated non smokers. I have not entered a pub now for 10 years because the smoke causes me to cough and need a change of clothes. Non smokers of the world unite. Roll on July 1st 2007.
Reply:As a social smoker and an Irishman the following positives have come from this:
1. More beer gardens and more beer gardens with space heaters - always good
2. Get to talk to random people outside, a lot of fun
3. No smelly manky smoke inside causing watery eyes, bad clothes smell, coughing, etc.
4. If you don't smoke you don't stink the next day.
5. You smoke less, and only go for a smoke when you really want to
I'm sure others could ad to this. There was a lot of angry statements in the press before the ban started but since it's come in, there seems to be only positive reviews. Personally I love it. The only annoyed people are the vintners association.
If you want negatives:
1. Fart smell! The smell of farts was horrible at first - but they seem to have dealt with that now.
2. Non-smokers are left inside on their own sporadically.
Reply:Im so glad its happening my mum has smoked for 40 years and has just given up because she has emphysema, it will be so much easier for her when this ban comes in, I have just given up but even when I smoked I was all for it, if it makes just one person quit its got to be worth it.
Reply:Totally agree with you 100% I'm more likely to go into a pub for lunch now as there is no smoke really hated coming home smelling of smoke .England will just need to get used to it as we had to in Scotland
Reply:Freedom of choice???
... Just remember, Hitler was a very arrogant man, too...
Reply:Oh child. Have you not read George Orwell? 1984? Smokers are protesting because they can see its the start of the end when it comes to the freedom to do what you want. It will soon apply to everything. Everything! So in 50 yrs time, our descendants will be blaming us for lying down and taking everything thats thrown at us. And they will revolt against all the rules and regulations that are tying them down. We've turned into a nation of namby pambys and we're scared to upset the minority in case we're taken to court and sued over the least thing.My Grandparents went on marches etc to throw off the chains of oppression and now its starting again in a subtle way. They must be, and the thousands like them, be turning in their graves at whats happening to this country nowadays.
Reply:I was up in Edinburgh at the weekend and the smoking ban made a surprisingly good difference to the whole weekend.
Can't wait for it to come in here.
If you want to smoke, go out side.
If you don't, stay inside - have a drink. Everyone's happy
Reply:if you work in a bar you should expect to come into contact with smoke its ******* common sense!
i dont like smoking so i wouldnt work in a bar its not ******* hard
Reply:I do not smoke, but I just wonder where all the tax revenue that is collected will be made up from .........after all someone is paying for this terrible war.
Reply:keep on puffing babe, Rob Roy has.
Reply:PEople have the right not to be surrounded by carcinogens just because a minority of people think it's their right to pollute their lungs and the air. I fully support the smoking ban although it has meant that you get blasted by smoke everytime you walk through a doorway to get in or out of a non- smoking building! Fag ends on the pavement is also not a nice look.
Oh, and the Scotland/ England thing is irrelevant, just another chance for people to moan about not getting to control Scottish issues anymore. We had to put up with English interference for 300 years, it's about time we got the chance to return the favour!!
There, that's MY rant for the day!!
Reply:Thank you for your honesty. I completely agree with you. Many's the time a meal out or drink has been spoiled by having to put up with smoke. And to answer JoJo's point, the revenue lost from taxes on fags will be balanced by fewer people becoming ill from lung cancer etc and needing the NHS. Two wrongs don't make a right.
Reply:You go girl!! I'm looking forward to the ban.
Reply:So ok i agree with you and i have smoked for about 30 years now,from the age of seven i had no mum and as my dad was a drinker and mainly went to working mens clubs i spent a lot of my time in very smokey environments.I have not got cancer yet nor am i ill very often,i worry more with my health with some of the jobs i have had in the past.
I respect the law and will not smoke in public places,but what liberty will we all loose next i wonder
Reply:You have been brain-washed. Ireland stopped the smoking in pubs before Scotland. Result - pubs closing left, right and centre.
If I was alergic, would I chose to work in a nut factory? If bar staff do not like the smoke, then don't work there. There were non-smoking pubs in England where you could go, but this was not good enough.
The English pub - backbone of the English culture - is now a collection of restaurants that serve beer, run by Multi-National companies - all chrome and plastic - or 'themes'.
When the 'survey' was done, did they ask people how many times they use the pub? A landlord would sooner have a dozen regulars than a flock of one-offers on a Saturday night.
There was nothing wrong with having separate rooms for smokers and non-smokers. But politicians, worried about their jobs, introduced this law to stop smoking. Have they stopped MP's smoking in their heavily subsidised bars in the Commons?
Live and let live. Look it up. And I won't be voting Liberal for you in the next election!
Reply:I have always detested smoking, objected to the smell coming from smokers, the smell after being in a place where smokers were, and breathing in the disgusting fumes. Have never smoked in my life, have a mother and father-in-law who did and both died of Lung Cancer. I live Scotland and it is wonderful visiting restaurants etc not having to breath in the fumes. However, there has been numerous discussion and arguements about why smokers can't have a separate room in a pub or whatever. As a non smoker I would like to see people who insist on smoking having somewhere in most places to smoke, to be honest not because I am considerate of their needs but because since the smoking ban came in I am utterly disgusted and even twice have been sick as so many more people smoke in the street, outside restaurants and pubs and however hard you try you breath in the awful fumes. I think I even object to this more that it is my fresh air that is being taken from me. Smoking should be banned in the street and they should be given somewhere to puff, if they have decided to risk their lives not much we can do about it. You have to have some compassion for these people as it is an addiction and who else would stand in all sorts of weather looking pathetic, not to mention the look alike 'sheep pens' in our airports. How degrading to need to go in there? All the protesting, shouting and threats about what will happen when the ban comes to England were the same here and Ireland but at the end of the say, sorry smokers but your are like 'lambs to the slaughter' and it will go ahead and will just be accepted. This time next year, not all but like the person who posted the question will be very happy with the difference it has made. PS Since there has been a few 'rants' not relevant to the smoking question, instead of being annoyed at Scotland for making it's own rules would you not be better asking why your country is so much behind us and do something about it?. Just think how long Scotland has had free care for the elderly, no university tuition fees etc. We can't be that wrong since you all have or want to follow with such issues.
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